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	<title>Comments on: To treat with excessive leniency, generosity, or consideration</title>
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	<description>As honest as a gambling man can be</description>
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		<title>By: Mr. McLaren</title>
		<link>http://www.chrismclaren.com/blog/2009/02/12/to-treat-with-excessive-leniency-generosity-or-consideration/comment-page-1/#comment-55423</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. McLaren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 05:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think it counts unless you&#039;ve already confessed--it just gets you out of purgatory if you&#039;re otherwise in good order. So you&#039;ll want that, and a quick (but honestly repentent) deathbed confession, I would think, to cover your bases.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think it counts unless you&#8217;ve already confessed&#8211;it just gets you out of purgatory if you&#8217;re otherwise in good order. So you&#8217;ll want that, and a quick (but honestly repentent) deathbed confession, I would think, to cover your bases.</p>
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		<title>By: Sharon</title>
		<link>http://www.chrismclaren.com/blog/2009/02/12/to-treat-with-excessive-leniency-generosity-or-consideration/comment-page-1/#comment-55401</link>
		<dc:creator>Sharon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 04:37:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My grandfather got a certificate form the Pope some decades back that said if he or any member of his family utters the name &quot;Jesus&quot; on their deathbed, they get an automatic plenary indulgence. I am holding this in my back pocket to use on a technicality in case my atheism doesn&#039;t pay off. The certificate doesn&#039;t say anything about having to believe anything. Just say the name, and you&#039;re in. I forgot all about it until I read this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My grandfather got a certificate form the Pope some decades back that said if he or any member of his family utters the name &#8220;Jesus&#8221; on their deathbed, they get an automatic plenary indulgence. I am holding this in my back pocket to use on a technicality in case my atheism doesn&#8217;t pay off. The certificate doesn&#8217;t say anything about having to believe anything. Just say the name, and you&#8217;re in. I forgot all about it until I read this.</p>
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		<title>By: Mr. McLaren</title>
		<link>http://www.chrismclaren.com/blog/2009/02/12/to-treat-with-excessive-leniency-generosity-or-consideration/comment-page-1/#comment-55392</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr. McLaren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:29:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;The history of the Gutenberg Bible is the subject of considerable scholarly debate. The earliest dated specimens of printing by Gutenberg are papal indulgences (notes given to Christians by the Pope, pardoning their sins) issued in Mainz in 1454.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Johannes Gutenberg - inventor, goldsmith - and businessman. Like any good businessman, Gutenberg was constantly on the lookout for market opportunities. He diagnosed the market&#039;s need for mass produced writing. Like any good businessman, Gutenberg borrowed money to research a solution for this gap in the market. He produced the printing press, with innovations in the use of movable metal type. And like any good businessman, he was good at marketing. His first publication was thus the bible, the world&#039;s first, and still greatest, bestseller. But Gutenberg had an eye on where the real money was - Indulgences. Indulgences were rich people&#039;s way of buying forgiveness from God for their sins, and the Church&#039;s way of funding religious wars. Gutenberg wanted to mass produce these indulgences for the Church, in effect a license to print money.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Onto this scene came Johannes Gutenberg, a profit-minded goldsmith from Southern Germany. Ben Franklin he was not. His inspiration for the reinvention of movable type (this time cast in metal) was not the betterment of his society, nor the advancement of human knowledge. His motivation was personal profit. He hoped to get rich by printing the Church&#039;s ever-popular indulgences. These handy slips of paper could be bought by a sinner to gain dispensation from any discretion, past or future.

So popular were indulgences that soon Gutenberg was printing up to 200,000 of them in one run.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

All quotes cited &lt;a href=&quot;http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=262831&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.

I always thought the Bible was one of the drivers for the printing press, but it looks like you&#039;re right that it was indulgences even before that.

So yeah, there&#039;s some irony there. 

Of course, you can split a lot of hairs there--the written word and the book predate movable type, so we&#039;re really only crediting indulgences with moving along the production process.  And it&#039;s really fiction that I love, more than the generic book (I can love non-fiction books, but it&#039;s much less common), which predated the press, was suppressed for a long time during the primacy of the Church, and then came back much later. And I can live with the irony anyway--kind of like how I love the Internet, even though it started as a military thing. An American military thing, even.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&#8220;The history of the Gutenberg Bible is the subject of considerable scholarly debate. The earliest dated specimens of printing by Gutenberg are papal indulgences (notes given to Christians by the Pope, pardoning their sins) issued in Mainz in 1454.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Johannes Gutenberg &#8211; inventor, goldsmith &#8211; and businessman. Like any good businessman, Gutenberg was constantly on the lookout for market opportunities. He diagnosed the market&#8217;s need for mass produced writing. Like any good businessman, Gutenberg borrowed money to research a solution for this gap in the market. He produced the printing press, with innovations in the use of movable metal type. And like any good businessman, he was good at marketing. His first publication was thus the bible, the world&#8217;s first, and still greatest, bestseller. But Gutenberg had an eye on where the real money was &#8211; Indulgences. Indulgences were rich people&#8217;s way of buying forgiveness from God for their sins, and the Church&#8217;s way of funding religious wars. Gutenberg wanted to mass produce these indulgences for the Church, in effect a license to print money.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Onto this scene came Johannes Gutenberg, a profit-minded goldsmith from Southern Germany. Ben Franklin he was not. His inspiration for the reinvention of movable type (this time cast in metal) was not the betterment of his society, nor the advancement of human knowledge. His motivation was personal profit. He hoped to get rich by printing the Church&#8217;s ever-popular indulgences. These handy slips of paper could be bought by a sinner to gain dispensation from any discretion, past or future.</p>
<p>So popular were indulgences that soon Gutenberg was printing up to 200,000 of them in one run.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>All quotes cited <a href="http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=262831" rel="nofollow">here</a>.</p>
<p>I always thought the Bible was one of the drivers for the printing press, but it looks like you&#8217;re right that it was indulgences even before that.</p>
<p>So yeah, there&#8217;s some irony there. </p>
<p>Of course, you can split a lot of hairs there&#8211;the written word and the book predate movable type, so we&#8217;re really only crediting indulgences with moving along the production process.  And it&#8217;s really fiction that I love, more than the generic book (I can love non-fiction books, but it&#8217;s much less common), which predated the press, was suppressed for a long time during the primacy of the Church, and then came back much later. And I can live with the irony anyway&#8211;kind of like how I love the Internet, even though it started as a military thing. An American military thing, even.</p>
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		<title>By: Biff</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 20:19:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I remember reading/hearing somewhere (possibly a TED talk) that indulgences are basically why the printing press took off so rapidly - printing and selling indulgences was highly profitable.  
Do you find it ironic that your (what some would consider) book worship can be traced back to the church that you detest?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I remember reading/hearing somewhere (possibly a TED talk) that indulgences are basically why the printing press took off so rapidly &#8211; printing and selling indulgences was highly profitable.<br />
Do you find it ironic that your (what some would consider) book worship can be traced back to the church that you detest?</p>
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